Eredar Twins

◊ Praetorian · 04/17/08, 2:24 AM

Intense fight, definitely the hardest in TBC so far. My only gripe is probably healer-stacking, though we did it with 10 and 1 spriest and I'm pretty sure we could swing 9 and 2 spriests without too much trouble, so maybe it's not too bad. It's been a long, long time since we've had a fight that we spent more than 1-2 full nights of wipes on and not come away with a kill. It's definitely an answer to the question, "Can Blizzard make a fight that will truly challenge top guilds but still be doable and not unfair?"

Congrats to all my guildmates on a job wonderfully done, and apologies to the many excellent folks that spent most of the past week on the sidelines due to the lack of DPS slots.

Edit: Just to clarify, I definitely do not think that this fight should be nerfed. We'll be doing this with 8 healers in a couple of months. We brought 10 healers to our first Shahraz kill, too, if I recall. It's fine. There's no real way to reduce the nature of this raid damage without just making the fight inherently much less dangerous.

◊ Kurisu · 04/17/08, 2:27 AM

Grats guys, I like how Gonk is positioned to look like he has Warglaives.

Fix · 04/17/08, 2:30 AM

Congrats to everyone involved -- well deserved after the time spent. Also it looks like Gonk has glaives in that picture and that is just wrong >:|

E:f,b...hate you Kurisu.

• Snowy · 04/17/08, 2:30 AM

This fight was immensely rewarding to get through and it's been a loooooooong time since I could say that. Kael'thas was the only other one that comes close.

• Acustar · 04/17/08, 2:36 AM

Grats everyone! Glad to see all your hard work paying off, sounds like an intense encounter.

◊ manly · 04/17/08, 3:05 AM

What is this, a kill shot with no WWS ? Blasphemy !

• DeeNogger · 04/17/08, 3:18 AM

Cant wait to see the video!

ex-Pachwa · 04/17/08, 3:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kurisu

Grats guys, I like how Gonk is positioned to look like he has Warglaives.

Hunter weapons.

◊ Praetorian · 04/17/08, 3:41 AM

I really should have given that bow to the rogues.

• Fogbug · 04/17/08, 4:30 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

I really should have given that bow to Chocula

aye

Renew · 04/17/08, 5:18 AM

Grats guys, very very hard fight. Good to see they pulled off a hard 25 man encounter.

• Mjollnir · 04/17/08, 5:35 AM

Well done, grats! Still miss the flexing cow

• Gonkish · 04/17/08, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

I really should have given that bow to the rogues.

Pfft rogues. Rogues aren't people. Besides, we'll get so many orange bows in a few months they'll all have that anyway.

Tobaksvara · 04/17/08, 7:57 AM

Grats everyone

And good luck in the future,

• Riot · 04/17/08, 8:20 AM

Hey Gonk, where's your Felspine?

Illundai · 04/17/08, 8:21 AM

Out of curiosity, if you say you can do this with 9 healers, do you use the LR strat then? As we feel LoS cheesing is a bit borderline we went with another strat and how I see it we sure as hell won't do that with 9 healers.

zaider · 04/17/08, 8:54 AM

Congratulations guys.

◊ Praetorian · 04/17/08, 9:41 AM

Originally Posted by Illundai

Out of curiosity, if you say you can do this with 9 healers, do you use the LR strat then? As we feel LoS cheesing is a bit borderline we went with another strat and how I see it we sure as hell won't do that with 9 healers.

A similar approach, yes. And LoS has nothing to do with it at all, it's just a matter of some people outranging some abilities. Without getting into too much detail, almost every strat I know of does this to some end. Unless I am mistaken, there is no way to completely neutralize Images. If you could, that'd probably be unintended. But Twins is basically largely about managing them, and there is a spectrum of strats -- the more people you expose to them, the less damage each individual takes, and the fewer you do, the greater the danger those few face. Vodka's strat exposes ~7 people to them, VQ's and variants expose 18 or so but not the entire raid, and SK's exposes the full raid but no one person or group gets focused. You're just shifting stress from one area to another.

◊ Kurisu · 04/17/08, 9:52 AM

Originally Posted by Gonkish

Pfft rogues. Rogues aren't people. Besides, we'll get so many orange bows in a few months they'll all have that anyway.

Calling it now, first three kills will be legendary bows, which hunter will get shafted.

Illundai · 04/17/08, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Praetorian

A similar approach, yes. And LoS has nothing to do with it at all, it's just a matter of some people outranging some abilities. Without getting into too much detail, almost every strat I know of does this to some end. Unless I am mistaken, there is no way to completely neutralize Images. If you could, that'd probably be unintended. But Twins is basically largely about managing them, and there is a spectrum of strats -- the more people you expose to them, the less damage each individual takes, and the fewer you do, the greater the danger those few face. Vodka's strat exposes ~7 people to them, VQ's and variants expose 18 or so but not the entire raid, and SK's exposes the full raid but no one person or group gets focused. You're just shifting stress from one area to another.

Wait, I thought LRs strat took advantage of the fact that Shadow Blades ignores LoS and thus can reset the stacks of the Warlock tank through the floor.

◊ Praetorian · 04/17/08, 10:08 AM

I'll just PM.

SeanDamnit · 04/17/08, 11:13 AM

Hardest fight in TBC? You'd say it is more difficult than Kael?

◊ Praetorian · 04/17/08, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by SeanDamnit

Hardest fight in TBC? You'd say it is more difficult than Kael?

Hahaha, yes.

MeCh · 04/17/08, 11:29 AM

Hope this doesn't mean Mu'ru and KJ are the rewards for killing the twins.

◊ Praetorian · 04/17/08, 11:31 AM

I doubt it. I think each Sunwell boss so far is harder than the one before it, and I expect that trend to continue.