Paladin: Protection - Page 3

• frmorrison · 06/12/08, 7:55 PM

Originally Posted by Darkwing

Which seal should I use to tank with?

Righteous, SoV is subject to spell hit issues.

BTW,
Will require [Lesser Invisibility Potion] to safely pull Hydross if frost tank. is not correct anymore. No need for pots.

Prinsesa · 06/13/08, 2:21 AM

How exaclty does Block Value work? Is there any amount I should be aiming for?

Whenever you block, Block Value reduces the damage dealt by the blocked attack. If your block value is greater than or equal to the amount of damage dealt (post-armor reduction), you take no damage.

Also for the prot paladins who are enchanters you could maybe add the ring enchants. Which brings me to another question i had; which of the enchants would be best? Spelldamage or +stats on rings?

Spell damage. The Stats enchant barely adds any avoidance or HP worth mentioning, but the spell damage is a noticeable threat increase.

uebeyrak · 06/20/08, 2:35 AM

I have two questions:

1. We're currently working through SSC/TK and the only times I tank a boss are when multiple tanks are required. I just got my T5 shoulders and was appalled to find RED SOCKETS!! I would have to gem with at least purple gems to remain uncrushable and would definitely lose some stam in the exchange. I only have a couple of upgrades left to get out of T5 and so am thinking forward to Hyjal. Is the T5 gear setting me up for more avoidance in preparation for T6 content? Or did Blizz just jack up the sockets on these shoulders?

2. I'm grasping the basic concept that Block Rate/Block Value can be more effective towards my survival than stamina sometimes. However, I'm having difficulty applying it to my toon! I've been lazy lately and not swapping to my trash gear on trash. Would my block set make my healers' lives easier even with the lower hp?

Boss Set:
HP 15987
Dodge: 21.96
Parry: 17.75
Block: 16.85 (stops 257 damage)

Block Set:
HP: 15217 (I have 5 slots that can take 15 stam gems still)
Dodge: 19.59
Parry: 16.26
Block: 23.02 (stops 469 damage)

Thalshara · 06/20/08, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by uebeyrak

I have two questions:

1. We're currently working through SSC/TK and the only times I tank a boss are when multiple tanks are required. I just got my T5 shoulders and was appalled to find RED SOCKETS!! I would have to gem with at least purple gems to remain uncrushable and would definitely lose some stam in the exchange. I only have a couple of upgrades left to get out of T5 and so am thinking forward to Hyjal. Is the T5 gear setting me up for more avoidance in preparation for T6 content? Or did Blizz just jack up the sockets on these shoulders?

2. I'm grasping the basic concept that Block Rate/Block Value can be more effective towards my survival than stamina sometimes. However, I'm having difficulty applying it to my toon! I've been lazy lately and not swapping to my trash gear on trash. Would my block set make my healers' lives easier even with the lower hp?

Boss Set:
HP 15987
Dodge: 21.96
Parry: 17.75
Block: 16.85 (stops 257 damage)

Block Set:
HP: 15217 (I have 5 slots that can take 15 stam gems still)
Dodge: 19.59
Parry: 16.26
Block: 23.02 (stops 469 damage)

1) Red sockets suck, yeah, but I find filling them with a "Glowing" purple color gem is helpful. A little spell damage for threat, and some stamina to help maintain hitpoints and the socket bonus. Threat is going to become increasingly more important for you as you go into T6 content.

2) Good block value certainly does make it easier on your healers, especially when you're tanking multiple mobs. However, that's a double-edged sword. Yes, it's easier to keep you alive, but since you're taking less damage, you may also start to mana starve yourself in extreme cases. It's most helpful to find a good middle ground between block value, stamina, evasion, and spell damage when fighting through trash. You want to take damage to keep yourself going, but not enough to be too difficult to keep alive. And you want to have enough spell damage for threat to keep the trash beating on you. The 469 blocked damage on your block set looks pretty good, but at what expense to your hitpoints and spell damage? It's obvious when you've gone too far. I've gone into a couple trash pulls in BT with over 650 damage blocked, and about 400 spell damage (too low), and before I knew it most of my mana was gone and the mobs were trying to kill our warlocks.

Added 3) Be sure to consider spell damage in all your tanking sets. An awesome blocking set is worthless if you only have a little spell damage to back it up. Your raid dps will pull that shit right off you, and there won't be any attacks for you to block after a few seconds. Same with a boss tanking set. If you're putting out piddly threat, your dps has to slow down, the fight lasts longer, more chances for mistakes, etc. Overall, if you have good healers, I find it's better to err on the side of a ton of threat, especially when doing trash. Boost your spell damage to 600+ and your dps will love you. If you have between 250 - 400 blocked damage, it's survivable, and you'll have plenty of mana to keep you the center of threat. And if you can pull off a lot of blocking and a lot of spell damage at the same time? Well that's a wonderful AE tanking set right there. Ideal for things like Hyjal. Just need to make sure to take enough big hits to keep the consecration pouring out of you.

uebeyrak · 06/20/08, 8:52 PM

My SD is only 5 less in my block gear. That's why I didn't include it in the comparison above.

Thanks for the input.

Omatre · 06/24/08, 1:23 PM

Dodge + Stam gem is a nice one to put in those T5 shoulders:

Dodge Gem List

Because realistically, you won't be replacing the T5 shoulders till at minimum the ones from Supremus.
So you're gonna be doing a lot of trash tanking in Hyjal. Despite what some would say, the added 10 dodge rating
is perfect IMO, 10 dodge, 12 stam, and you get the socket bonus. Pretty hard to argue those two. I personally had
two of the heroic ones, thats how I came to 10 dodge.

There's also the 4 dodge 6 stam crafted one now if you don't wanna farm for the 5 dodge.

Smurrf · 06/25/08, 11:22 AM

So, in looking through another forum site, I came across a couple of comments that I thought odd...and rather than try and make sense of it there, I'm bringing those over here, where perhaps more intelligent conversation about current thoughts on these two can take place.

Firstly...the claim was made that Ardent Defender is worthless, and that if it kicks in, your healers are failing. In recent weeks, I've picked up the MgT Commendation, and have noticed the proc kick in a LOT in various travels (10 mans, as well as Mt.H, where we currently are battling.) With having the Commendation, is AD something that is actually less viable, or should it be left in as additional security against a possible death?

Second...the claim was made that Imp'd Judgement is undesirable, or at most only 1 pt should go into it. What is the current thought regarding this talent? Dropping from 10sec to 8sec CD for Judgement is an increase of 20% threat from JoR or JoV, so why would this such a bad talent?

Cathela · 06/26/08, 2:35 AM

The proc rate you observe on the Commendation should answer the question as to whether AD is "worthless" or not. The idea that you'll only go under 35% if your healers are failing is silly on a number of levels:

1) Many raid bosses have spike-damage abilities that are designed to one-shot most of your health bar away. AD gives you an extra cushion against subsequent smaller attacks until your healers can react and heal you to full again.

2) In TBC fights healers often need a second or two to save their own asses and AD increases your chance of surviving that second, especially if more than one healer needs to move at a time.

3) The logical conclusion of the argument is that if the last 35% of your health bar never comes into play, why not just gear up for 65% of your normal hp and add a bunch of threat instead?

As for Imp. Judgement, the issue there has to do with the GCD, and the fact that when tanking a raid boss you absolutely must hit Holy Shield every 10 seconds. Since the GCD is 1.5 seconds, you can't hit anything else for a 3-second window around your Holy Shield activation. Therefore, Consecration is effectively forced onto a 10-second cooldown, and you can only refresh your seal every 10 seconds as well. For this reason, many prot paladins prefer to just do everything on a 10-second cycle to keep things simple.

Judgement itself is not on the GCD, so you could still judge every 8 seconds and just occasionally go a second or two without a seal while waiting on the GCD to recast it. This would give you a bit more threat over the normal 10-second rotation. Some people do this and say they have no problem keeping everything straight. Myself, I don't have the mental coordination to handle that, so I'm one of the people who sticks with a 10-second judgement.

2ndNin · 06/27/08, 6:01 AM

Macros: Two lazy mode macros for Blessing of Protection, no self target and auto self target

No Self Cast Blessing of Protection - Blessing of Protections a targetted mobs target, will not blessing you even if the mob is now targetting you (stops aggro drop).

#showtooltip Blessing of Protection
/cast [button:2,target=focus,exists][help]Blessing of Protection
/stopmacro [button:2][help]
/assist [harm]
/targetexact player
/targetlasttarget
/cast [help,nodead]Blessing of Protection
/targetlastenemy

Self target Blessing of Protection + auto clear - for fights like Nightbane, ensures that your BoP hits yourself rather than your current target

#show Blessing of Protection
/target player
/cancelaura Blessing Of Protection
/cast Blessing Of Protection
/targetlasttarget

2ndNin · 06/27/08, 6:09 AM

2 Useful Gear progression guides, one solely Paladin gear (spell damage / best in slot), one all good tanking epics for paladins, does not include blues. Additionally a pre-kara uncrushability guide.

I feel gear guides are normally not of much value, being highly subjective, however these gear rankings are generally very helpful given the wide range and uses of paladin gear, both focused from the MT point of view. All taken from maintankadin, ideally should include a reference to it (they have been stolen before, which is not nice).

Tankadin specific gear progression (Tier gear +) rankings, compiled by Lieris from Maintankadin :: Index.

Helm:
#1 Helm of Uther's Resolve - Kiljaeden, Sunwell Plateau (Sunmote turn-in)
#2 Hard Khorium Goggles - Sunwell Plateau recipe drop
#2 Faceplate of the Impenetrable - Illidan Stormrage, Black Temple
#3 Lightbringer Faceguard - Archimonde, Hyjal
#4 Battleworn Tuskguard - Hex Lord Malacrass, Zulaman
#4 Tankatronic Goggles - Crafted, Engineering
#5 Crystalforge Faceguard - Lady Vashj, Serpentshrine Cavern
#6 Justicar Faceguard - Prince Malchezaar, Karazhan
#6 Faceguard of the Endless Watch - Doomwalker (BOE)

Neck:
#1 Collar of the Pit Lord - Brutallus, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Pendant of Titans - Reliquary of Souls, Black Temple
#2 The Darkener's Grasp - Kael'thas Sunstrider, Tempest Keep
#3 Frayed Tether of the Drowned - Fathom-Lord Karathress, Serpentshrine Cavern
#3 Barbed Choker of Discipline - Maiden of Virtue, Karazhan

Shoulders:
#1 Spaulders of the Thalassian Defender - Eredar Twins, Sunwell Plateau (Sunmote turn-in)
#1 Lightbringer Shoulderguards - Mother Sharaz, Black Temple
#2 Pauldrons of Abyssal Fury - Supremus, Black Temple
#3 Crystalforge Shoulderguards - Void Reaver, Tempest Keep
#4 Justicar Shoulderguards - High King Maulgar, Gruul's Lair
#5 Mantle of Abrahmis - Netherspite, Karazhan

Cloak:
#1 Crimson Paragon's Cover - Twin Eredars, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Pepe's Shroud of Pacification - Hyjal Trash
#2 Slikk's Cloak of Placation - 35 Badge of Justice
#2 Phoenix-Wing Cloak - Al'ar, Tempest Keep

Chest:
#1 Heroic Judicator's Chestguard - M'uru, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Lightbringer Chestguard - Illidan Stormrage, Black Temple
#3 Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian - 75 Badge of Justice
#4 Crystalforge Chestguard - Kael'thas Sunstrider, Tempest Keep
#5 Justicar Chestguard - Magtheridon, Magtheridon's Lair

Wrist:
#1 Lightbringer Wristguards - Kalecgos, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Eternium Shell Bracers - High Warlord Naj'entus, Black Temple
#2 The Seeker's Wristguards - Shade of Akama, Black Temple
#3 Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx - 35 Badge of Justice
#4 Vambraces of Courage - Attumen the Huntsman, Karazhan
#4 Wristguards of Determination - Void Reaver, Tempest Keep

Gloves:
#1 Lightbringer Handguards - Azgalor, Hyjal
#2 Gauntlets of Enforcement - Teron Gorefiend, Black Temple
#3 Royal Gauntlets of Silvermoon - Kaelthas Funstrider, Tempest Keep
#4 Crystalforge Handguards - Leotheras the Blind, Serpentshrine Cavern
#5 Iron Gauntlets of the Maiden - Maiden of Virtue, Karazhan


Waist:
#1 Lightbringer Waistguard - Brutallus, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Girdle of Mighty Resolve - Gurtogg Bloodboil, Black Temple
#3 Belt of the Guardian - Crafted, Blacksmithing
#3 Girdle of the Protector - 60 Badge of Justice
#4 Crimson Girdle of the Indomitable - Moroes, Karazhan

Legs:
#1 Judicator's Legguards - Sunwell Plateau
#2 Inscribed Legplates of the Aldor - 100 Badges of Justice
#2 Lightbringer Legguards - Illidari Council, Black Temple
#2 Praetorian's Legguards - Shade of Akama, Black Temple
#3 Wrynn Dynasty Greaves - The Curator, Karazhan
#3 Crystalforge Legguards - Fathom-Lord Karathress, Serpentshrine Cavern
#3 Unwavering Legguards - 75 Badges of Justice

Feet:
#1 Tide-stomper's Greaves - High Warlord Naj'entus, Black Temple
#1 Lightbringer Stompers - Felmyst, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Sabatons of the Righteous Defender - 60 Badge of Justice
#3 Boots of the Protector - Crafted, Blacksmithing
#4 Battlescar Boots - Chess Event, Karazhan
#5 Boots of Elusion - Karazhan Trash

Ring:
#1 Ring of Hardened Resolve - Muru, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Ring of the Stalwart Protector - 60 Badges of Justice
#2 Band of the Eternal Defender - Exalted, The Scale of the Sands
#2 Ring of Sundered Souls - Morogrim Tidewalker, Serpentshrine Cavern
#3 Band of the Abyssal Lord - Supremus - Black Temple
#3 Signet of the Last Defender - Timed Chests, Zul'Aman
#3 Violet Signet of the Great Protector - Exalted, The Violet Eye
#4 Seventh Ring of the Tirisfalen - Tempest Keep Trash
#5 Shermanar Great Ring - Shade of Aran, Karazhan

Mainhand:
#1 Tempest of Chaos - Archimonde, Hyjal
#1 Reign of Misery - Brutallus, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Hammer of Judgement - Hyjal Trash
#3 Fang of the Leviathan - Leotheras the Blind - Serpentshrine Cavern
#3 Merciless Gladiator's Gavel - 2,739 Arena Points
#3 Amani Punisher - Akil'zon, Zul'Aman
#3 Blade of Twisted Visions - Zul'jin, Zul'Aman
#4 Gladiator's Gavel - 25,200 Honor Points & 20 EotS marks
#4 Cudgel of Consecration - Kael'thas Lolstrider, Heroic Magisters' Terrace

Shield:
#1 Sword Breaker's Bulwark - Felmyst, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Bulwark of Azzinoth - Illidan Stormrage, Black Temple
#3 Antonidas's Aegis of Rapt Concentration - Archimonde, Hyjal
#4 Kaz'rogal's Hardened Heart - Kaz'rogal, Hyjal
#4 Illidari Runeshield - Trash drop, Black Temple
#5 Aldori Legacy Defender - Gruul the Dragonkiller, Gruul's Lair
#5 Bulwark of the Amani Empire - Jan'alai, Zul'aman
#5 Merciless Gladiator's Shield Wall - 1,630 Arena Points
#6 Shield of Impenetrable Darkness - Nightbane, Karazhan
#6 Sunward Crest - Exalted Shattered Sun Offensive

Libram:
#1 Tome of the Lightbringer - Mother Sharaz, Black Temple
#1 Libram of Divine Purpose - 20 Badge of Justice
#2 Libram of Repentance - 15 Badge of Justice

Trinkets:
Stamina:
Commendation of Kael'thas - Priestess Delrissa, Heroic Magisters' Terrace
Figurine - Crimson Serpent - Crafted, Jewelcrafting BOP
Darkmoon Card: Vengeance - Ace-Eight of Furies
Darkmoon Card: Madness - Ace-Eight of Lunacy
Spyglass of the Hidden Fleet - SSC trash
Gnomish Poultryizer - Crafted, Engineering
Goblin Rocket Launcher - Crafted, Engineering

Avoidance:
Shadowmoon Insignia - Gurtogg Bloodboil, Black Temple
Figurine - Empyrean Tortoise - Crafted, Jewelcrafting BOP
Scarab of Displacement - Hydross the Unstable, Serpentshrine Cavern
Moroes' Lucky Pocket Watch - Moroes, Karazhan
Ancient Aqir Artifact - Zul'jin, Zulaman

Threat:
Ashtongue Talisman of Zeal - Exalted Ashtongue Deathsworn
Tome of Fiery Redemption - Al'ar, Tempest Keep
Darkmoon Card: Crusade - Blessings Deck
Figurine - Crimson Serpent - Crafted, Jewelcrafting BOP

Epic Tank Gear Progression guide, compiled by Questioner, Maintankadin :: Index

Helm:
#1 Helm of Uther's Resolve - Kiljaeden, Sunwell Plateau (Sunmote turn-in)
#1 Crown of Dath'Remar - Kiljaeden, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Hard Khorium Goggles - Sunwell Plateau recipe drop
#2 Faceplate of the Impenetrable - Illidan Stormrage, Black Temple
#3 Lightbringer Faceguard - Archimonde, Hyjal
#4 Battleworn Tuskguard - Hex Lord Malacrass, Zulaman
#4 Tankatronic Goggles - Crafted, Engineering
#5 Crystalforge Faceguard - Lady Vashj, Serpentshrine Cavern
#6 Justicar Faceguard - Prince Malchezaar, Karazhan
#6 Faceguard of the Endless Watch - Doomwalker / BOE
#7 Eternium Greathelm - Opera Event, Karazhan
#7 Faceguard of Determination - 50 Badge of Justice
#8 Helm of the Stalwart Defender - Crafted BoE
#8 Oathkeeper's Helm - Crafted BoE

Neck:
#1 Collar of the Pit Lord - Brutallus, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Pendant of Titans - Reliquary of Souls, Black Temple
#2 The Darkener's Grasp - Kael'thas Sunstrider, Tempest Keep
#3 Frayed Tether of the Drowned - Fathom-Lord Karathress, Serpentshrine Cavern
#3 Barbed Choker of Discipline - Maiden of Virtue, Karazhan
#3 Brooch of Deftness - 35 Badge of Justice
#3 Shattered Sun Pendant of Resolve - Rep Item
#3 Guardian's Pendant of Dominance - 15,300 Honor 10 Eots Marks
#4 Necklace of the Juggernaut - 25 Badge of Justice

Shoulders:
#1 Spaulders of the Thalassian Defender - Sunwell Plateau (Sunmote turn-in)
#1 Lightbringer Shoulderguards - Mother Sharaz, Black Temple
#2 Pauldrons of Perseverance - Sunwell Plateau Unknown
#2 Pauldrons of Abyssal Fury - Supremus, Black Temple
#3 Crystalforge Shoulderguards - Void Reaver, Tempest Keep
#3 Pauldrons of Stone Resolve - Zul'Aman First Chest Timed Event
#4 Justicar Shoulderguards - High King Maulgar, Gruul's Lair
#5 Mantle of Abrahmis - Netherspite, Karazhan
#6 Spaulders of Dementia - Talon King Ikiss, Heroic Sethekk Halls

Cloak:
#1 Crimson Paragon's Cover - Twin Eredars, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Pepe's Shroud of Pacification - Hyjal Trash
#2 Slikk's Cloak of Placation - 35 Badge of Justice
#2 Phoenix-Wing Cloak - Al'ar, Tempest Keep
#3 Gilded Thorium Cloak - Illhoof, Karazhan
#4 Icebound Cloak - Lord Ahune, Midsummer Summonable Boss

Chest:
#1 Heroic Judicator's Chestguard - Sunwell Plateau
#1 Breastplate of Agony's Aversion - Sunwell Plateau
#2 Lightbringer Chestguard - Illidan Stormrage, Black Temple
#3 Chesplate of Stoicism - 100 Badge of Justice
#3 Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian - 75 Badge of Justice
#4 Glory of the Defender - Azgalor, Mt Hyjal
#4 Chestguard of the Warlord - Zul'jin, Zul'Aman
#4 Crystalforge Chestguard - Kael'thas Sunstrider, Tempest Keep
#5 Justicar Chestguard - Magtheridon, Magtheridon's Lair
#6 Shattrath Protectorate's Breastplate - 100 Badge of Justice
#6 Panzar'Thar Breastplate - Nightbane, Karazhan

Wrist:
#1 Lightbringer Wristguards - Kalecgos, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Eternium Shell Bracers - High Warlord Naj'entus, Black Temple
#2 The Seeker's Wristguards - Shade of Akama, Black Temple
#3 Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx - 35 Badge of Justice
#4 Vambraces of Courage - Attumen the Huntsman, Karazhan
#4 Wristguards of Determination - Void Reaver, Tempest Keep
#5 Bracers of Dignity - Heroic Arcatraz
#5 Bracer's of the Green Fortress - Crafted
#6 Amber Bands of the Aggressor - Heroic Steamvault

Gloves:
#1 Lightbringer Handguards - Azgalor, Hyjal
#2 Borderland Fortress Grips - Felmyst, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Gauntlets of Enforcement - Teron Gorefiend, Black Temple
#3 Royal Gauntlets of Silvermoon - Kaelthas Funstrider, Tempest Keep
#4 Crystalforge Handguards - Leotheras the Blind, Serpentshrine Cavern
#5 Bonefist Gauntlets - 60 Badge of Justice
#5 Iron Gauntlets of the Maiden - Maiden of Virtue, Karazhan
#5 Topaz-Studded Battlegrips - Doom Lord Kazzak
#6 Justicar Handguards - Curator, Karazhan
#7 Gauntlets of Dissension - Warp Splinter, Heroic Botanica
#8 Gauntlets of the Iron Tower - Crafted


Waist:
#1 Lightbringer Waistguard - Brutallus, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Girdle of Mighty Resolve - Gurtogg Bloodboil, Black Temple
#2 Girdle of Stability - Gurtogg Bloodboil, Black Temple
#3 Belt of the Guardian - Crafted, Blacksmithing
#3 Girdle of the Protector - 60 Badge of Justice
#3 Girdle of the Fearless - 75 Badge of Justice
#3 Girdle of the Invulnerable - Leotheras the Blind, Serpentshrine Cavern
#3 Iron-tusk Girdle - 60 Badge of Justice
#4 Crimson Girdle of the Indomitable - Moroes, Karazhan
#5 Girdle of Valorous Deeds - Heroic Black Morass
#6 Lion's Heart Girdle - Heroic Hellfire Ramparts

Legs:
#1 Judicator's Legguards - Kalecgos, Sunwell Plateau
#1 Felstrength Legplates - Brutallus, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Inscribed Legplates of the Aldor - 100 Badges of Justice
#2 Lightbringer Legguards - Illidari Council, Black Temple
#2 Praetorian's Legguards - Shade of Akama, Black Temple
#3 Sunguard Legplates - 100 Badges of Justice
#4 Crystalforge Legguards - Fathom-Lord Karathress, Serpentshrine Cavern
#4 Unwavering Legguards - 75 Badges of Justice
#5 Wrynn Dynasty Greaves - The Curator, Karazhan
#6 Justicar Legguards - Gruul, Gruul's Lair

Feet:
#1 Lightbringer Stompers - Felmyst, Sunwell Plateau
#1 Tide-stomper's Greaves - High Warlord Naj'entus, Black Temple
#1 Myrmidon's Treads - Shade of Akama, Black Temple
#2 Sabatons of the Righteous Defender - 60 Badge of Justice
#2 Jungle Stompers - Nalorakk, Zul'aman
#3 Boots of the Resilient - Solarian, Tempest Keep
#3 Boots of the Protector - Crafted, Blacksmithing
#3 Red Havoc Boots - Crafted, Blacksmithing, BoP
#3 Blue's Greaves of the Righteous Guardian - 75 Badge of Justice
#4 Battlescar Boots - Chess Event, Karazhan
#5 Boots of Elusion - Karazhan Trash
#6 Boots of the Righteous Path, Heroic Shattered Halls
#7 Eaglecrest Warboots, Heroic Blood Furnace

Ring:
#1 Ring of Hardened Resolve - M'uru, Sunwell Plateau
#2 Ring of Sundered Souls - Morogrim Tidewalker, Serpentshrine Cavern
#2 Band of the Eternal Defender - Exalted, The Scale of the Sands
#2 Band of the Abyssal Lord - Supremus - Black Temple
#2 Ring of the Stalwart Protector - 60 Badges of Justice
#3 Violet Signet of the Great Protector - Exalted, The Violet Eye
#4 Signet of the Last Defender - Timed Chests, Zul'Aman
#4 Seventh Ring of the Tirisfalen - Tempest Keep Trash
#5 Shermanar Great Ring - Shade of Aran, Karazhan
#5 Ring of Unyielding Force - 25 Badge of Justice
#5 The Seal of Danzalar - The Lurker Below, Serpentshrine Cavern
#5 A'dal's Signet of Defense - Magtheridon Head Quest
#6 Band of Impenetrable Defenses - BoE
#6 Yor's Revenge - Yor, Heroic Mana Tombs

Mainhand:
#1 Tempest of Chaos - Archimonde, Hyjal
#1 Brutal Gladiator's Gavel - Arena 2050 rating
#2 Reign of Misery - Brutallus, Sunwell Plateau
#3 Vengeful Gladiator's Gavel - Arena 1800 rating
#3 Hammer of Judgement - Hyjal Trash
#4 Blade of Twisted Visions - Zul'jin, Zul'Aman
#4 Amani Punisher - Akil'zon, Zul'Aman
#4 Fang of the Leviathan - Leotheras the Blind - Serpentshrine Cavern
#4 Merciless Gladiator's Gavel - Honor
#5 Cudgel of Consecration - Kael'thas Lolstrider, Heroic Magisters' Terrace
#6 Gladiator's Gavel - 25,200 Honor Points & 20 EotS marks
#6 Bloodmaw Magus-Blade - Gruul the Dragonkiller, Gruul's Lair
#7 Gavel of Unearthed Secrets - Lower City Exalted
#7 Blade of the Archmage - Honor Hold Exalted
#7 Stormcaller - Thrallmar Exalted

Shield:
#1 Sword Breaker's Bulwark - Felmyst, Sunwell Plateau
#1 Bulwark of Azzinoth - Illidan Stormrage, Black Temple
#2 Kaz'rogal's Hardened Heart - Kaz'rogal, Hyjal
#3 Antonidas's Aegis of Rapt Concentration - Archimonde, Mt Hyjal
#3 Vengeful Gladiator's Shields - 1,875 Arena Points, 1850 rating
#4 Illidari Runeshield - Black Temple Trash Drop
#4 Aldori Legacy Defender - Gruul the Dragonkiller, Gruul's Lair
#4 Bulwark of the Amani Empire - Jan'alai, Zul'aman
#4 Merciless Gladiator's Shields - Honor
#5 Shield of Impenetrable Darkness - Nightbane, Karazhan
#5 Sunward Crest - Exalted Shattered Sun Offensive
#5 Dawnforged Defender - Exalted Shattered Sun Offensive
#6 Azure-Shield of Coldarra - 33 Badge of Justice
#6 Crest of the Sha'tar - The Sha'tar Exalted
#6 Gladiator's Shield Wall - honor

Libram:
#1 Tome of the Lightbringer - Mother Sharaz, Black Temple
#1 Libram of Divine Purpose - 20 Badge of Justice
#2 Libram of Repentance - 15 Badge of Justice

Trinkets:
Stamina:
Commendation of Kael'thas - Priestess Delrissa, Heroic Magisters' Terrace
Figurine - Crimson Serpent - Crafted, Jewelcrafting BOP
Darkmoon Card: Vengeance - Ace-Eight of Furies
Darkmoon Card: Madness - Ace-Eight of Lunacy
Spyglass of the Hidden Fleet - SSC trash

Avoidance:
Shadowmoon Insignia - Gurtogg Bloodboil, Black Temple
Guardian's Alchemist Stone -Crafted, Alchemy 350 BOP
Figurine - Empyrean Tortoise - Crafted, Jewelcrafting BOP
Scarab of Displacement - Hydross the Unstable, Serpentshrine Cavern
Moroes' Lucky Pocket Watch - Moroes, Karazhan
Ancient Aqir Artifact - Zul'jin, Zulaman

Threat:
Hex Shrunken Head - Hex Lord Malacrass, Zul'Aman
Icon of the Silver Crescent - 41 Badge of Justice
Ashtongue Talisman of Zeal - Exalted Ashtongue Deathsworn
Tome of Fiery Redemption - Al'ar, Tempest Keep
Magtheridon's Eye - Magtheridon, Magtheridon's Lair
Darkmoon Card: Crusade - Ace-Eight of Blessings
Figurine - Crimson Serpent - Crafted, Jewelcrafting BOP
Battlemaster's Audacity - 75 Badge of Justice or 30,000 Honor

Pre-raid Uncrushability Gear Guide: compiled by Eanin Maintankadin :: Index

Head:
Felsteel Helm (crafted)

Enchant:
Glyph of the Defender (KoT revered)

Neck:
Strength of the Untamed (CE revered)

Shoulders:
Nexus-Guard's Pauldrons (quest: Success!)
or
Warchief's Mantle (quest: Return to Andormu)

Enchant:
Inscription of the Knight (Scryers Honored)
or
Inscription of Warding (Aldor Honored)
or
Heavy Knothide Armor Kit

Back:
Cloak of Eternity (crafted)

Enchant:
Steelweave
or
Dodge

Chest:
Breasplate of the Warbringer (quest: Forge Camp: Annihilated)
or
Vindicator's Hauberk (Aldor Revered)

Enchants:
Exceptional Health
or
Defense
or
Exceptional Stats

Wrists:
Shatari Wrought Armguards (quest: The Soul Devices)
or
Bracers of the Green Fortress (crafted)

Enchants:
Fortitude
or
Major Defense

Hands:
Felsteel Gloves (crafted)
or
Gauntlets of the Chosen (Scryers revered)

Enchants:
Superior Agility
or
Heavy Knothide Armor Kit
or
Glove Reinforcements

Belt:
Shatari Vindicator's Waistguard (quest: How to Break Into the Arcatraz)

Leggings:
Timewarden's Legguards (KoT revered)
or
Felsteel Leggings (crafted)
or
Legguards of the Resolute Defender (quest: Destroy Naberius!)

Enchants:
Clefthide Leg Armor
or
Nethercleft Leg Armor

Feet:
Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves (quest: Someone Else's Hard Work Pays Off)

Enchants:
Fortitude
or
Boar's Speed

Rings:
Two of:
Adormu's Tear (quest: Hero of the Brood)
and
Protector's Mark of the Redemption (quest: Dissension Amond the Ranks...)
and
Delicate Eternium Ring (crafted)

Trinkets:
Dabiri's Enigma (quest: Dimensius the All-Devouring)
and
Regal Protectorate (quest: Cruel's Intentions)

Weapon:
Continuum Blade (KoT revered)
or
Seeker's Gavel (Shattered Sun revered)
or
Crystalforged Sword (world drop)

Enchant:
Major Spellpower
or
Greater Agility
(I highly recommend major spellpower as you will not be getting a new weapon for a long, long time)

Shield:
Shield of the Wayward Footman (world drop)
or
Netherwing Defender's Shield (quest: Ally of the Netherwing - don't get the Protector's shield; you'll regret it later)

(I highly recommend the Wayward shield. Start looking for it on the AH early; put an alt in Org and check every day. You can start using it at 65, so start looking then or even earlier. It is far and away the best shield for uncrushability.)

Enchant:
Major Stamina
or
Shield Block

Libram
Libram of Repentance (15 badges)

There's four more items that you may find useful. Remember, uncrushability isn't like other stats. It's just as useful to be uncrushable buffed as unbuffed (you can't, after all, become more uncrushable by being buffed). These can put you over the top:

Elixir of Major Agility
or
Elixir of Mastery
or
Flask of Fortification
and
Warp Burger

Mechanical · 06/27/08, 8:10 AM

Originally Posted by Cathela

Judgement itself is not on the GCD, so you could still judge every 8 seconds and just occasionally go a second or two without a seal while waiting on the GCD to recast it. This would give you a bit more threat over the normal 10-second rotation. Some people do this and say they have no problem keeping everything straight. Myself, I don't have the mental coordination to handle that, so I'm one of the people who sticks with a 10-second judgement.

Does anyone have a threat-wise comparison between 2/2 Imp. Judgement and 2/3 Precision? Would be interesting.

Bobbydigital · 06/27/08, 2:33 PM

I'm used to healing as a paladin. For hyjal trash or any other trash tanking, I like to keybind righteous defense to the side mouse button of healbot. This allows instead of targeting the npc and using the macro, to mouseover anyone you see taking damage and quickly righteous defense. Be careful of warlocks life tapping (you should know the names of the warlocks in your guild/raid). But this is faster in my opinion then targeting the npc that has gotten away. Anyone else do this?

Saroz · 06/27/08, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by Bobbydigital

I'm used to healing as a paladin. For hyjal trash or any other trash tanking, I like to keybind righteous defense to the side mouse button of healbot. This allows instead of targeting the npc and using the macro, to mouseover anyone you see taking damage and quickly righteous defense. Be careful of warlocks life tapping (you should know the names of the warlocks in your guild/raid). But this is faster in my opinion then targeting the npc that has gotten away. Anyone else do this?

Yes, but aggro indicators in raid frames is a million times better than seeing who lose health, cause then they've already been hit.

Elrinnas · 06/30/08, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by nfmmalice

Does anyone know if there is a GEar SPreadsheet (current) for Prot Pallys?

I'd like to be able to plugin some items to see which specific items would be better to upgrade, in which order..

Any ideas?

Just wanted to follow-up on this as it would benefit me as well as I just specc'd my pally to prot this weekend. I would like to be able to plug in new items and gems to see the impact on my stats.

Is there something similar to Cheeky's Spreadsheet (for hunters) or Rawr which we tankidins can utilize?

Cathela · 07/01/08, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Elrinnas

Just wanted to follow-up on this as it would benefit me as well as I just specc'd my pally to prot this weekend. I would like to be able to plug in new items and gems to see the impact on my stats.

Is there something similar to Cheeky's Spreadsheet (for hunters) or Rawr which we tankidins can utilize?

For mitigation, the best way to do this is to use the calculator feature of the TankPoints mod, which lets you apply deltas to your current gear. Shows your hit table, effective HP, etc, and since it runs ingame there's no startup time spent entering your gear, etc.

As far as threat, it depends on circumstances, but as a rule of thumb, +2 spelldamage = +1 tps on a single-target non-undead/demon mob.

Female Tauren · 07/04/08, 9:59 AM

Hi,

This might be a stupid question, but could someone tell me why pallies only need 97.4% mitigation for crush immunity while warriors need 102.4%?

ex-moz · 07/04/08, 11:23 AM

You DO need 102.4% (miss + parry + dodge + block). Keep in mind a mob's base miss is 5%, which is where you are pulling that number from most likely.

Libram of Repentance also adds ~5% block to Holy Shield, so if you have that it factors into the calculation.

Female Tauren · 07/04/08, 12:58 PM

So basically I will only need 97.4% combined mitigation on my character's defense pane, not 102.4%?

Thanks for the clear up

ex-moz · 07/04/08, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by Female Tauren

So basically I will only need 97.4% combined mitigation on my character's defense pane, not 102.4%?

Thanks for the clear up

Correct.

Spacehog26 · 07/04/08, 11:26 PM

OK, I have a question about threat gen that I can't seem to find an answer to.

The general rule of thumb for pallies is spell dmg = threat. If that holds true then I've hit some sort of wall that I've seen another pally trump.

My character sheet

Don't mind the agility to gloves, it was a c